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Author Topic: Torrent Announce: U2 1998-02-11 Santiago de Chile -proshot- "El Pueblo Vencera" 2DVDs NTSC mix by Ac  (Read 1878 times)
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« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2008, 07:44:05 PM »

 Huh?
dear gato: thx for your uploads.

As I posted above, I never blamed you but just found weird the situation.

thx for the stuff you shared here and hope to see you on U2 torrents some day.
also hope you don't end with a bitter and sour taste.

every time I see U2 boots DVDs I remember some nice german guy shared and gave me the chance to enjoy, specially these south american gigs.

maybe U2 and Bowie fans are not the same and that's all.
most dlers are guests.

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« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2008, 03:22:52 PM »

I have disc 1 complete dl and burned.
this is a fantastic gig and a great authored DVD.

so, the rest of guys dl will get disc 1.
I'm connected around 12 hours each day, so I'll be back.

do the same guys so we could all enjoy disc 2.

btw: rossy and Pablo, you already have this DVD?...if not, what the hell are you waiting for!!!
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« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2008, 03:32:37 PM »

No goa, I don't have it...and I was considering if downloading it or not actually  Smiley
I think I will, when I'll get home  Wink
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« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2008, 09:18:26 PM »

And there's no seed now  Wink
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« Reply #19 on: May 24, 2008, 09:17:43 AM »

Like gatomaluco i also wont be coming back here . I've never seen such a torrent site where you don't need to register and share back . Why register and keep a ratio when you can just leech and run  Undecided
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« Reply #20 on: May 24, 2008, 09:36:22 AM »

Like gatomaluco i also wont be coming back here . I've never seen such a torrent site where you don't need to register and share back . Why register and keep a ratio when you can just leech and run  Undecided

For your information: the guests as a group have a higher ratio then you. Guests 0.85 and you 0.52.
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« Reply #21 on: May 24, 2008, 02:46:29 PM »

For your information: the guests as a group have a higher ratio then you. Guests 0.85 and you 0.52.
it's not only the ratio, it is also about the upload-speeds others are willing to give. okay, not every country offers rapid uploads, i had to wait three years untill i found an ISP that offers a speed that satisfies my purposes, it is the "sharing spirit" that i miss here... anyway, i can't see my torrents being orphaned with 13 leechers after days... so i will give a little seed for longer, but also with the "castrated" speed of 20kB/s...

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« Reply #22 on: May 24, 2008, 04:27:43 PM »

Although I can understand the reasoning that gatomaluco brings up, I certainly do not subscribe (although I respect it) to the subsequent reaction, that is, abandoning a torrent because the membership or the leechers do not behave as one would like them or expect them too.

I don't need to remind anyone that this world is full of opportunists, and torrenting is a microcosm that reflects this.
Anywhere you will find those that leech and run, or those that give poor bandwidth but take all they can from those willing to be more generous.
The only difference between many other sites and here, is that in this site those people do not get punished (banned or blocked in their downloads).
This place chose to be an open site, for more than one reasons...there was even a vote some time ago, and most members voted for keeping it public (open), that is, letting guests leech too.

I believe that this has a double advantage:

for one, it helps keep torrents alive... in sites that let only members download (and force them to keep high share ratios), at one point there will be those that won't be able to get leechers (we experienced this here too when we made it private for a while)
Instead, here any member can always reopen a torrent for there will always be some leechers (guests) that will eventually download it.
This method currently proved to be a winning one, for if you check in the Tracker, you will find torrents that are still running, with many leechers, since 2006 or 2007 (like the Cranberries, Usher, Kraftwerk, Bowie's Bridge Benefit, and many many others).
Also, instead of sitting for months on a torrent waiting for someone to arrive and give us back some credit to enhance our ratio, we just periodically check our torrents and if there is one needing a seeder, we join back...or the leechers can ask for a seed in the forum and usually they get someone that lends them a hand.

The second advantage is that this method gives freedom to the users...if they want to lurk and remain guests, fine...if they are a little more motivated and want to enhance participation in the site, they may sign up and become members...not to be able to download only (for they can do that as guests, as Bonofan points out Wink), but to be able to participate and get some little advantage and reward for it (getting useful credits or becoming VIP members, without having to...buy the title  Wink ).

Since what really makes a site flourish and grow is participation, this must be acquired having motivated members that sign up...and rewarding them for what they do, instead of forcing them to do it.
What's the use of imposing a registration to be able to dl if the people that register will not participate anyway?  Huh? Just to keep control and ratio enforcement?
True, they could be forced to keep decent ratios in that way, but we have seen that in the end many of the (small) sites that do that do not get more participation and their torrents are often dead...not to mention the forums, which have little or no activity.

I could list more advantages for this choice...like personally having seen how many guests at one point decide to become members because they like what they got or the site itself, or because they feel grateful..new faces coming in here, and of course new people means new ideas and participation.

So...what in the end it all comes to is that there will always be a few people that have an ethic in torrenting, and a more numerous number that simply don't give a shit and just grab and run...well, this is the point: I just don't care if they do that. It's  everywhere, in every aspect of life.

While if, by giving them a chance to be here, they may learn something or even change their attitude, this will be more than a reward for me.
If not...who cares: there will always be those that we care for and that keep helping and participating, and we can have a good time together.

But of course all this does not mean that it'll have to be always like this. In any time, if this will not be a winning philosophy, we might even go back to being a more Private site...depending on circumstances and situations  Wink

Getting back to this torrent...it's an 8 GB torrent, and these are the most difficult ones, for only a few will seed to get all those 8GB back, it takes too long...so most of those that get it, disappear or being greedy for more stuff keep low speeds (and not only guests).
I know this, for I'm seeding a NIN dvd (Dual Layer) since months now, and noone that gets it remains seeding for more than a few days...and I get back there to help the new ones (if I feel like it). And I assure you it happened with many big sized torrents before.

In this case, since there were people that never completed (I started and stopped my dl when I saw there was no seeder), I really appreciate your decision to come back and help, gatomaluco, for it's true that it's a shame to see such a great torrent being orphaned.

Btw...although some users may have shown a less generous attitude regarding your uploads, there were many of us who not only appreciated them very much, but that also showed some gratitude...in more than one way  Wink

P.S. Hey...btw...I'm at work now and I can't restart the dl, so keep this puppy running for some more, for I really would like to be able to see it!  Tongue Smiley Wink
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« Reply #23 on: May 24, 2008, 08:55:39 PM »


... I really appreciate your decision to come back and help, gatomaluco, for it's true that it's a shame to see such a great torrent being orphaned.

Btw...although some users may have shown a less generous attitude regarding your uploads, there were many of us who not only appreciated them very much, but that also showed some gratitude...in more than one way  Wink

thanks a lot for these wise and diplomatic words, Rossy! i can't and won't comment all, but i learned in the past years that sharing on trackers were all members must keep a decent ratio is much easier than sharing on mininova or piratebay or anywere else withot share-ratio-enforcement... but these are just my experiences at all... anyway, i know that a handfull of members keep most of the trackers alive, but to be true, with a ratio here of more than 14.22 it will be difficult for me to "take back" what others want to give. of course, while i am uploading GBs of stuff with a decent speed (while leeching) others can't seed enough to keep their ratio up. but i don't leech here, i seed only. and as i wrote, i didn't leave the torrent orphaned before more than 3,5 copies were available in the swarm... you know that the leechers are able to exchange the missing files on their own, without any seeder... that's one reason i prefer the "super-seed-mode" at Azureus, i think at µtorrent it is called "initial seeding"... that makes sure that i first upload each part one time before i seed it again, especially with huge torrents like this one (8GBs) it makes it much easier... ...if the leechers give for others too...

anyway, i'll keep on seeding for a few hours, increased the speed to 40kBs so hopefully YOU (and i mean you personally) can complete and enjoy it!!!

one last question, maybe i am blind, where can i find the "rules" how to become a better status than "JR.Member"... even as you mentioned a "VIP" without paying...Huh?
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« Reply #24 on: May 24, 2008, 09:16:47 PM »

You can find bewley's announce about VIP membership here:

http://www.mindwarppavilion.org/smf/the-roadmap-ii/vip-membership-announced-t2312.0.html

Actually The Roadmap is the board where you get announces about site news, policy and etiquette.


Just one comment about the Ratio issue...I think we must also be careful when judging by the share ratio...as an example I will bring my own case: I had a max upload speed of 30kb/s (now upgraded to 45/50) and I have a 1.9 ratio, struggling and seeding 24 hours a day all year round (of course also downloading).
Well, if I lived in Northern Europe (as Zig Dust or Bowiebolan or Andreas or many others), I would now have a ratio of...just throwing a guess, maybe 100?  Grin
Dunno, but just to say that I agree with keeping your ratio decent by limiting what you download as per your uploading possibilities, and trying to give good speeds if possible, but I don't want to judge a member a better one just because he has a very high ratio either, 'cause that depends much on the bandwidth he has (in Nortern Europe it's paradise Wink ). Actually he may upload only a few times and get fantastic ratios with little effort. Good for him of course, but there are members who seed and upload more that have much lower ratios...and that can only seed a torrent at a time with a decent speed, otherwise they'll have to divide it  Wink
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« Reply #25 on: May 25, 2008, 09:59:13 AM »

Just one comment about the Ratio issue...I think we must also be careful when judging by the share ratio...as an example I will bring my own case: I had a max upload speed of 30kb/s (now upgraded to 45/50) and I have a 1.9 ratio, struggling and seeding 24 hours a day all year round (of course also downloading).
Well, if I lived in Northern Europe (as Zig Dust or Bowiebolan or Andreas or many others), I would now have a ratio of...just throwing a guess, maybe 100?  Grin
Dunno, but just to say that I agree with keeping your ratio decent by limiting what you download as per your uploading possibilities, and trying to give good speeds if possible, but I don't want to judge a member a better one just because he has a very high ratio either, 'cause that depends much on the bandwidth he has (in Nortern Europe it's paradise Wink ). Actually he may upload only a few times and get fantastic ratios with little effort. Good for him of course, but there are members who seed and upload more that have much lower ratios...and that can only seed a torrent at a time with a decent speed, otherwise they'll have to divide it  Wink
thanks for the link, will read it soon...

about the upload-speeds, i started around 4 years ago with a crabby ADSL2000 with 22kB/s connection. after discovering torrents/p2p-sharing i upgraded the upload to 38kB/s and paid € 5.- per month extra, only to "share" better... luckily i could change the provider to a ADSL16000 with a 99kB/s upload, that was a great step to increase ratios and upload "new" torrents, now that we moved to another city i have a cable-connection with 36000kB/s down and 200kB/s upspeed, but still expensive...! anyway, of course some countries and areas offers much better connections, and not everybody can afford to pay the best choice, but if i can not give back enough i shouldn't leech too much...! if i can download fast and upload slow i would make "selections" of what i take, otherwise i should choose the old-fashioned-way of trading... so in my opinion i can judge members by their ratio- all a question of being willing to give and take... if i want to drive a Ferrari and have not the money to buy it, or the roads are not in a condition for such a car i should choose something different and be happy with it... Wink
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« Reply #26 on: May 25, 2008, 10:43:34 AM »

Well, I agree wholly on setting limits in leeching depending on one's possibilities to give back...so yes, I too in a way judge a person when he/she has a bad bad ratio...but what actually does not impress me at all is a very high ratio, for when you have an upload speed of 1.2 MB/s  Shocked without big economical efforts as in some northern european countries, well...it's not a question of being generous, you get a high ratio even if you leech every torrent and seed back for a short time.
And then maybe this same person with such a fantastic ratio does little or nothing in terms of participation in the site (forum etc).
So what I do is look at the credits more than the ratio...credits mean a lot of things...good and long seeding, participation in the forum by posting, uploads in the Gallery, etc.
But this doesn't mean I justify a very low ratio either, I agree fully with you there Wink
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« Reply #27 on: May 25, 2008, 05:14:02 PM »

rossy: please try to give priority to disc 1, I 'm not able to keep it 8 GB on my HD.
I will keep disc 2 till half of the week.

tomorrow hope comment on yors and gm posts.
more importante, about this wonderfould DVD and gig.

take care my dear friend.
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« Reply #28 on: May 25, 2008, 08:41:42 PM »

I did give disc 1 priority now, but the truth is that I'm getting very little bandwidth, so it'll take quite some time for me to end at this pace  Undecided
Well, it's a chance for a boost in your SR  Wink

Seriously, if you can't keep it quit it, someone else will complete and seed (hopefully Wink)
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« Reply #29 on: May 25, 2008, 10:07:56 PM »

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